'Art and science and procreation, that's about all life is good for:' Two former freeware developers are still trying to keep it weird in an era when companies 'sell games to people in 5-second clips'

Talha & Jack Co⁠—the indie dev duo Jack King-Spooner and Talha Kaya⁠—are on to something special. The pair is currently working on Abide, their third game in as many years, yet nothing they make has any of that insubstantial, game jam feel you might expect from a quick turnaround⁠.

They do experimental, memorable, hefty games held down by King-Spooner's eccentric, stop-motion-animated art. It's harder than ever to stand out, but they do, and I wanted to get to the bottom of how they do it when we sat down for a recent interview.