Gavin Newsom faces 'Hillary Clinton problem,' says MS NOW host about California governor's 2028 ambitions

California Gov. Gavin Newsom has a "Hillary Clinton problem," MS NOW host Chris Hayes said in an interview published Thursday, as he discussed potential 2028 candidates with The New York Times' Ross Douthat.

"I think Newsom has the Hillary Clinton problem, which is that Hillary Clinton was perceived outside of the Democratic Party and Democratic coalition as the ultimate lib, the libiest lib who ever lived, and was never actually like that much of a lib," Hayes told Douthat during his "Interesting Times" podcast.